Tuesday, April 27, 2021

Blogger#8- Sophia Cheng- Period 7- 4/23/2021- Day C

Aim: How can a concise understanding of both an epic poem and the Iliad enhance our reading of the Odyssey?


Do Now: WHOLE CLASS DISCUSSION

For the following quotation:

"The ordinary man is involved in action, the hero acts.                                                                                                                                                     An immense difference."

                                                               - Henry Miller


  1. Interpret it in your own words

  2. Then Agree or disagree with the sentiment being expressed and explain why or why not.


We began class with a whole class discussion. We read the following quote shown above and we talked about how we perceived the quote and whether we agreed with it or not.  In this class discussion, several students shared their thoughts on what the quote meant. After this discussion, I came to realize how a two sentence quote could be interpreted in so many different ways. 


Here are some responses:

Oscar: “I think that the quote means a common man is involved in a big event but he isn’t like the game changer. I agree with this quote because a lot of stories like greek mythology are based on this statement.”

Bernice: “I think the quote is talking about how an ordinary person is involved in a larger movement rather than taking charge and action for himself. In this case, I would think that the ordinary man is a supporter while the hero is a leader.”

Eric: “My interpretation of the quote is that the ordinary man is involved in it but can’t really do much about it, but the hero actually takes action while the ordinary man tries to intervene.”

Raymond: “I imagined like in a made up situation in a fight, and I would think the ordinary man is a bystander, and the hero is someone who would break up the fight.”


My interpretation on this quote is that an ordinary man is someone who is tangled up or witnesses a bad situation, but the hero is the one who steps in to resolve the conflict. The hero acts by going in to help without hesitating. I agree with the sentiment that’s being expressed because stepping in and trying to resolve something is very different than someone who is possibly causing the problem and doing nothing to solve it. 


     “Apple of DiscordSee the source image

    After the whole class discussion, we took turns spirit reading “Apple           of Discord” and discussed some questions we were asked to consider while reading. Here are my annotations:



After reading the short text, we watched a video to help us better understand and clarify any confusion we had on the overall story. The video talked about the prophecy of the Trojan War and the story behind how the Trojan war broke out. Here’s the link to the video: The Trojan War : Part One : The Apple of Discord [6:37]         


Summary: 

          When Queen Hecuba of Troy was pregnant, she had a dream that she gave birth to a flaming torch. This was a bad sign, so Aesacus was called to explain what it meant. The prophecy was said to be that “the baby would be the downfall of Troy.” Both Queen Hecuba and King Priam knew that in order to save Troy, they would have to get rid of the baby. Since both the Queen and King couldn’t bring themselves to destroy the baby, a herdsman named Agelaus was sent to kill Baby Paris. Agelaus left Paris on Mount Ida knowing that a baby won’t be able to survive there, since he also couldn’t bring himself to kill Paris. But during the night, a bear kept Paris safe. Agelaus went back to Mount Ida only to see that Paris was still alive so he took it as a sign for Paris to be kept alive. He brought Paris home and raised him. When Paris grew up, he became a judge for extraordinary contests because of his fairness. Zeus then called upon him to judge for a contest between three goddesses: Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite. Paris would be choosing who should get the golden apple thrown by Eris during a wedding feast. Each goddess offered bribes. Hera offered power, Athena offered wisdom, and Aphrodite offered love. Paris gave the apple to Hera, so he was granted love from the most beautiful mortal woman. Paris raided King Menelaus’ house and stole Helen (the most beautiful mortal woman). Since Paris stole Helen, the people in Sparta who took an oath to protect Helen’s marriage to King Menelaus, went to destroy Troy to get their queen back. In the end, the prophecy of Paris came true, he was the downfall of Troy.


While reading, consider the following questions:


  1. How do the gods and goddesses in the story display human qualities?

Throughout the article, we noticed that the gods and goddesses had several human characteristics and qualities that resonate and speak to us. 

Lapyan: “They get angry, they argue and have material desires.”

Wilson: “The Goddesses all fight each other by showing they could get angry, selfish, and greedy for anything.”

Joanne: “I want to add on that Zeus can’t solve his problems, so he gives Paris the decision, which shows that greek gods are not perfect as other gods because gods in other religions are seen as perfect and righteous.”

I agree with all of my classmates because these gods and goddesses all show their human qualities when they are dealing with different situations. For instance, the three goddesses arguing over an apple and Zeus pushing the problem for someone else to deal with so he could avoid the situation. It shows that they are imperfect like what Joanne had said.

 

  1. What is the role of prophecy and fate in “The Golden Apple of Discord” ?

Wilson: “It was prophesied that Paris was going to be the end of Troy at first, since they couldn’t bring themself to kill him, it was fate for him to end up destroying Troy and leading up to the Trojan War because since it was fated, it was unavoidable because no matter what you do you can’t change it.”

King Priam and Queen Hecuba got the prophecy that their son was going to destroy Troy and in an effort to get rid of the prophecy they tried to do something to prevent it from happening, which was to give the son to a herdsman for him to kill Paris. The Herdsman also couldn’t kill the baby so he left it for nature to get rid of the baby, but fate stepped in by sending a bear to protect the baby. Fate also stepped in when Zeus chose Paris as the judge for the three goddesses, which led to him stealing a Queen and causing a war.


  1. How does xenia play a role in King Menelaus’ treatment of Paris? 

  1. How is this ironic?

Wilson: “Because they had to perform xenia, it means that the King had to treat his guests really well, so basically he had to treat Paris really well like inviting him to do all sorts of things, but then it's ironic because Paris just ends up robbing him of his wife and escaping away.”

Greeks were bound to practice xenia or else they’ll get punished by Zeus for not treating guests well. When Paris was in Sparta, he was treated very well and wonderfully, but in the end Paris betrayed King Menelaus and stole his wife.











TEAM DISCUSSION


Promise

Oath

a declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing or that a particular thing will happen.

a solemn promise, often invoking a divine witness, regarding one's future action or behavior.

Consider the different denotative and connotative emphasis of these two words. 


How do they differ?



Instead of doing a team discussion in breakout rooms, we did a whole class discussion.

We discussed that both these words give off different connotative feelings. For instance, Mohammed shared that “when he hears the word promise, he’s like unsure, but when he hears an oath it seems more secure.” Sahil added on by saying “Oath has a more serious connotation because it’s more set in stone.” We talked about how promises are made to be broken and by saying that it shows the strength of the word. Promises are made in good faith and we hope someone will keep it, but an oath is more strong. We brought up examples of how oaths are used in courts and how doctors take oaths to always help others no matter what, in all these situations, “oath” is used over the word “promise.”.


We continued to spirit read the next couple slides. Here are some of the key takeaways of each slide:

Xenia

Xenia is the ancient Greek concept of hospitality, the generosity and courtesy shown to those who are far from home and/or associates of the person bestowing guest-friendship. The rituals of hospitality created and expressed a reciprocal relationship between guest host.

  • The Greek god Zeus is sometimes called Zeus Xenios in his role as a protector of guests. He thus embodied the religious obligation to be hospital to travelers.

  • Many stories cautioned mortals that any guest should be treated as a potentially disguised god or goddess and helped to establish the idea of xenia as a fundamental Greek custom.


To further our understanding of Xenia, we watched a video in class. 

What is XENIA? Greek Myth Comix explaining Homeric literature [4:41] (We only watched up to 1:32)


The Ancient Greeks practiced xenia which is a ritual of guest-friendship. What stood out to me in the video was that anyone who asks for hospitality will be granted it by the host. The Guests and Hosts all have to follow a set of rules. For instance, the host has to provide all sorts of resources for the guests like food, water, protection, and a bed, and they aren’t allowed to question them until the guest is settled in. The guest could ask anyone for help, but they can’t be a burden by staying too long. This sounds very strange because today we won’t let strangers come into our houses let alone stay the night. The reasons why Greeks would do this was because they believed that there was a possibility that it could be a god or goddess in disguise. Zeus is sometimes called Zeus Xenios because there has been myths where Zeus would be disguised as a “nobody” who needs help. In order to avoid the punishments for bad xenia from Zeus, treating guests became a religious obligation. 











The Trojan War

- Helen left King Menelaus of Sparta for the Prince Paris of Troy. This started a lot of conflict. 

- Prince Paris of Troy travelled all the way  to Sparta to steal Helen.

- King Menelaus treated Paris very well, but ended up getting betrayed.

- Aphrodite made Helen fall in love with Paris and together they sneaked off in a ship to return to Troy.

- All of Helen’s suitors took an oath to get Helen back to King Menelaus no matter what.

- This series of events led to the Greeks attacking Troy.



Odysseus in the Trojan War

- Odysseus is the main character in the Odyssey and was one of the heroes of the Trojan War.

- Odysseus was one of the many suitors who had vowed to protect Helen even though he knew that it would be a long trip, he kept his oath because there was no way in backing off from an oath.

- Odysseus wasn’t known for his strength, he was also known for being cunning and outsmarting the opponents.

- After 10 years of war, Odysseus was the one who let out the idea of constructing the Trojan Horse since it was very difficult to enter Troy. 

- As a result of the Trojan Horse, Odysseus was able to lead the Greeks to victory.


We then read some background knowledge about Odysseus, which is shown below:

- Wife: Penelope

- Son: Telemachus

- Great soldier of the war

- Originally tried to get out of going to the war—pretended he was crazy

- Came up with the strategy of using the Trojan Horse which would successfully lead to Troy’s collapse.

- The Odyssey is the account of Odysseus’ journey home after the war.

- Another hero that you may have heard of, Achilles, died in the final year of the war. Achilles was the reason that the Greeks were able to last and survive as long as they did because he was indestructible all but one place.

- Greek forces were victorious



The Trojan Horse

- The Greeks constructed the Trojan Horse(a wooden statue of a horse) in which they gave to Troy as a “gift.

- The Greeks “left” on their ships, which made it seem like they had given up.

- The reason why the war lasted so long was because the Greeks couldn’t breach the walls of Troy, but this horse managed to trick Troy. Little did they know, there were Greek soldiers that were hiding in the wooden horse. When the horse was  brought into the city, the Greeks destroyed Troy. 

- They destroyed Temples, slaughtered children, and enslaved women.

- Because of Odysseus’ plan, the Greeks were successful in the war.


We discussed how we use the word “Trojan” or “Trojan Horse”  in modern day. To my surprise, Trojan is used today as a virus on a computer. For instance, the Trojan Horse is disguised as a beautiful gift, and it’s like a virus on a computer because it could also be disguised as an email and once you click on it, it decimates your computer.









Importance to Homer’s Epics

An epic is a long, narrative poem about a national or legendary hero. 

Ancient Greece produced two epic poems: The Iliad and The Odyssey

- Both of these Epics were used to teach Greek virtues in schools.

>Values: honor, bravery, hospitality—"xenia", intelligence, respect for the gods, loyalty to home and family

>Major faults: disrespect for the gods, lack of hospitality, excessive pride—"hubris"


  • Iliad is the primary model for epic of war

  • Odyssey is a sequel of the Iliad, it is the primary model for epic of the long journey



What IS this story—Odyssey?

  • It is a sequel to the Iliad, the Trojan war happened and the Odyssey is what happened afterwards (900 and 700 BC)

  • The Iliad focuses on the days toward the end of the

Trojan War (mid 1200s BC)

  • The Odyssey focuses on one of the soldiers who fought in the Trojan War returning home 19 years after the war—Odysseus. (Odysseus is at war away from home for approximately 10 years long and another 9 years to return home.)

  • The Iliad and the Odyssey together were considered

sacred to the Greeks—much like the Bible to many

people today.

  • Neither books were originally written down. Both were originally recited orally. 


It was very interesting to learn about how the Odyssey and Iliad were connected. It turns out that both of these Epic poems talk about the life of Odysseus during and after the Trojan war. It stood out to me that these two poems could be so important to Greeks like the bible to religious people. 

To conclude with the lesson, we talked about the ***Three Major Plot Strands***  in the Odyssey.

- The Telemachy is the story of Odysseue’s wife and son(Telemachus) waiting for Odysseus to return to Ithaca after the Trojan war.

- the tale of Odysseus’ wanderings 10 years after the Trojan War, which had to do with the adventures and challenges he faced while he tried to return to Ithaca. He encountered monsters and enchanting women. 

- when Odysseus returns to Ithaca and works with his son to defeat their enemies.



We were asked to read the following information on our own and look at the chart to help explain what is meant by the information given to us. 


The first lines of an ancient epic poem typically offer a “capsule summary” (a shortened version of a written work) of the subject of the poem.

The first lines of the Iliad and the Odyssey conform to this pattern. 


We find the poet's own statement about the subject of the Iliad in the original Greek poem's very first word: Anger. The song of the Iliad is about the anger, the doomed and ruinous anger, of the hero Achilles. So also in the Odyssey, the first word, Man, tells the subject of the poem.


If we look at the translated examples below, we can see in the paraphrased beginnings of both the Iliad and the Odyssey that the rules of the poet's craft extend beyond the naming of the main subject with the first word. In the original Greek of both the Iliad and the Odyssey, the first word announcing the subject - Anger, Man - is followed by a specially chosen adjective setting the mood - doomed anger, many-sided man - to be followed in turn by a relative clause that frames the story by outlining the plot - the doomed anger that caused countless losses and woes, the many-sided man who wandered countless ways.





The top two boxes on the chart above deepened my understanding on how the epic poems offer a capsule memory. For example, in The Iliad, “Anger” was the first word used and it implied that the story is about Anger. In The Odyssey, we could tell that the subject is man. 


At the end of the lesson, we were given Enrichments to help us understand more about the background of the story of the Trojan War. Here are the links:

Eris: The Goddess of Discord and Strife - Mythology Dictionary #05 - See U in History (Fixed) [2:28]

How and why the Trojan war started [3:22]

Zeus and the Myth of Hospitality (Philemon and Baucis) Greek Mythology Ep. See U in History [3:54]


Reflection:

  • What did I learn?

  • Why did I learn it?

  • How will I use what I learned?

          Throughout the lesson, I was able to obtain a lot of knowledge about the Trojan war, Xenia, and the Epic poems(The Iliad and The Odyssey). I learned that Xenia was greatly practiced in Ancient Greece. Xenia is the concept of hospitality in which hosts are supposed to treat their guests with protection. I was surprised to learn that the Ancient Greeks practiced this custom because in the modern world, we wouldn’t invite strangers into our homes if they asked for help. The Greeks did this because if a god or goddess was disguised as a guest and they were treated badly, they'd get the wrath of Zeus. In the past, I have heard of the story about the Trojan war several times, but after this lesson, my understanding of the story deepened. I was able to learn more about how the Trojan war began and what exactly happened for the Greeks to be victorious. Learning about Paris, the young Prince of Troy who was prophesied to be the downfall of Troy allowed me to realize that he was connected to the conflict in the Trojan War. Since he stole the Queen of Sparta, the Greeks had started a war with Troy which led to the creation of the Trojan horse. I have read Greek mythology in the past and this was my first time learning about Paris and the Golden Apple. After this lesson, I was also able to learn more about what The Iliad and The Odyssey was about. The Iliad and The Odyssey are both Epic poems about the Trojan war. The Iliad talked about the days towards the end of the Trojan war and The Odyssey talked about the journey returning home after the Trojan War. It shocked me to learn that both of these poems are as important to the Greeks as a bible is to religious people. I learned all of this information because it is important to know some background about The Odyssey so if I have to read it in the future, there won’t be any confusion that stirs in. Since I’ve learned about what The Odyssey is about and more about the Trojan war, reading the Odyssey shouldn’t be difficult because I have already understood the general plot and ideas. The different pieces of  information that I learned will be greatly connected to The Odyssey, so it’s necessary that I understand what occurred during the Trojan war since this lesson is setting a foundation for our upcoming lessons. I will get to use what I learned by applying this knowledge to future references and readings of The Odyssey. What I learned and understood  from this lesson could greatly enhance my reading on The Odyssey. Generally speaking, I learned a lot from this lesson and learning this would benefit me in the future when we come across The Odyssey.


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